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dumb fish child ([personal profile] hydrokinetics) wrote2017-02-11 07:29 pm

If we know the way we're gonna die, through everything else we will survive [W4, Sat, Post-Trial]

[Perhaps it's for the best that Percy left the trial shortly after casting his vote for the execution. If he hadn't, it may have been too entirely possible for someone to notice he felt a little satisfied.

Granted, he's also pretty annoyed, but what else is new? With everything that's happened, he feels that there are two men he needs to visit tonight. His mother's always taught him that it's polite to bring gifts to people whose homes you're invading, and though he's not always good at it, he does find himself stopping at the saloon on his way.

It's not like anyone will stop him. Who would?

And so he returns to the hotel with a new bottle of whiskey in his hand, stopping at the door to the room Hannibal and Will are staying in. He knows he's probably intruding, but whatever. They can tell him to fuck off if they wish, but he has things to discuss and things to ask. So, he knocks and he waits. He doesn't suspect this visit to be long, but one can never tell with these things.]
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
[ Completely unsurprisingly, the one to answer the door is Hannibal.

It does take a few moments after a soft "just a moment," and if Percy looks past Hannibal, it wouldn't be hard to guess why. Will is almost certainly unmoved from his position on the bed with Winston and a bottle of whiskey, though the space where Hannibal had been resting is sadly (for Will) empty. Hannibal looks lightly surprised when he opens the door to see Percy, but it easily turns into a smile. ]


Hello, Percy. Did you—

[ He stops, since his attention catches on the bottle, and he ends up laughing softly. Hannibal takes a step back, instead offering for Percy to come into the room. ]

Well, I doubt that's for me, so come in.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Somehow? Do I give off the impression that strongly?

[ Though by the wryness in Hannibal's voice and the light, almost teasing tone to it, he clearly agrees and knows exactly what gives off that impression. He closes the door after Percy, then nods to Will. ]

Nothing more important than your giving Will a gift. Considering his poor manners, I'm surprised anyone would think to.
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[personal profile] sweats 2017-02-12 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
[ So, there is Will, curled tight and buried under their blankets with nothing but his hair poking out. He is clutching a nearly empty bottle of whiskey and Winston is pressed tightly to his back, snoring away dutifully. ]

Poor manners... scmoor smammers.

[ He is also very, very drunk. And apparently southern? That's an accent there, that is. Then, with a very quiet whine: ]

Hannibal.

[ And clingy. Come back to bed, Hannibal. ]
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
[ Hannibal's lips curl up into more of a smile that reaches to his eyes easily. He's incredibly amused by all of this, but least of which is the accent that slips out just a little. ]

As I said, there could be some improvements.

[ Yet even as he says that, Hannibal's words and his smile are incredibly fond. It's a moment where it's easy to see the love Hannibal has, though it shifts away politely as he looks back to Percy. ]

Would you mind if I sat on the bed, at least? He's less likely to interject.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
[ He mouths a silent "thank you" at not actually giving Will the bottle just yet, since yes, clearly, Will has had enough for the night. But Hannibal takes a seat back on the edge of the bed, not quite in the lounging position he had been in before, but close enough that he's hoping Will's clingy ass will be satisfied. If nothing else, Hannibal sets his hand on Will's head lightly to run his fingers through his hair just as fondly.

Though at least this is just idle, his attention is much more focused on Percy, since he's the guest here. Technically, Hannibal finds this rude, but his dislike of rudeness is overcome by how much he likes Will. It's a problem. ]


I certainly am. I imagined that you and I might have to push Ezio more towards guilt, considering Will's reluctance to get involved, but... It at least had the desired effect.

[ And, after a pause, he has to say: ]

You're welcome to pull up a chair, by the way.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
[ He notices the tension, and it tempts him to respond, but he (as he often does) decides better of it. He'll just let Percy do what he wants... He's had a rough time. ]

It would be more convenient, yes. Considering what motivated him to do it, I'm actually surprised we haven't had more people consumed by their guilt. Not that everyone would have such a sympathetic motivation, but I would imagine most of the people here would over simple, callous cruelty. Certainly not the independent party or parties.

[ He sighs, then shakes his head ]

Though regardless, I still have to wonder... If people are coerced into it and into extensive violence, it's at least not a case of-- Well. [ He cants his head lightly ] It is not the sort of thing Will and I would encounter in the FBI.
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[personal profile] sweats 2017-02-12 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
[ HE'S STILL HERE... he's just kind of got his face tucked into Hannibal's side and his arm wrapped around his thigh. It's at least all under the blanket so Percy's spared.

Winston, meanwhile, will perk up after a bit and notice Percy on the floor. He'll hop down happily with the single goal of flopping into Percy's lap. So, there's that.

Anyway, gruffly, from under the blankets: ]


No. These don't -- they don't come close. Tell him about the mural, Hannibal. Or -- or the beehive. The mushroom guy. [ . . . ] The Judge.

[ A very weary sigh here. ]

These are nothing.
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OK I REFRESHED AND DIDN"T SEE WILL'S TAG??? WTF

[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
Technically, none of us are better. We all have blood on our hands for voting for the people here, but that's struck me as something of the point. To what ends, I can't guess, but with how the odds are laid, we share the burden of the deaths we were mistake about.

[ Which might be rather depressing, but Hannibal is just honestly giving his opinion out of respect to Percy. He doesn't soften the sentiment only because he's young. ]

But that aside, it does make more sense, in a way. The murders seem almost... random, but if they're given more information, then we can never really depend on prior associations in trying to reason through it.

[ Hannibal pauses, first for Percy's language (though luckily, this isn't Jack, so that too goes without comment), but mostly for thinking of how to explain it. He thinks to go with the delicate version. Will, clearly does not, and Hannibal sighs. He's still going to go with the delicate version. Sort of. ]

Far worse than anything here, Percy. The sorts of murders we were helping investigate are not simply crimes of passion, reason, or motive. They are serial killers. So I agree with Will. They do far worse things to their victims than anything I have seen here, admittedly. I'm rather desensitized as a result.

[ Which is also offered as a partial explanation for why Hannibal's temperament runs so cool, even in such dire situations. ]

If you're truly curious, I can give an example, but you would be best leaving it to imagination, in my opinion. The colorful names are imagery enough.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
[ It's okay, Percy, he gets it. You have the real dog, and Hannibal has the dog in human form... The parallel is almost funny, if not for the slight exasperation Hannibal feels at Will interjecting with the topic. First, to the current matter: ]

I agree. I meant it more in the opposite case. The idea that people would pick someone they dislike or even spoke to at all isn't one that we can count on readily. But certainly, I'd hope that people would hesitate to kill someone they like.

[ And after that, he'll consider the past. He looks thoughtful for a moment, since of the many he had seen (and been a part of), it's almost difficult to pick one that stands out as the best example of what they mean but also one where Hannibal can speak in fewer specifics. Eventually, he does choose one of the examples that Will listed. ]

...The mushrooms, then. A group of children found a small "plot" of mushrooms, but the garden was being fed by human bodies. Most of them were dead when the FBI came to investigate. [ He glances to Will briefly here, but there's no pause in his speaking ] One was not. A pharmacist intentionally gave diabetics the wrong medication to induce a coma, kidnapped them, and buried them alive. They were given an IV of a sugar concentration to encourage the growth of the mushrooms, but it seems to have taken quite a while for them to finally die.

[ He nods his head lightly ]

And that is a case that had a very low body count. The "mural" had forty-six confirmed, but there were likely far more that will never be found.
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[personal profile] sweats 2017-02-12 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
[ Okay, well!! Since SOMEONE (Hannibal) isn't being descriptive enough for metaphor man over here, Will is going to interrupt again.

When he speaks, it's low and dark and accented by alcohol. ]


Eldon Stammets. He needed to -- to connect, to feel connection. He thought if he was just able to build it artificially, then they would be happy. Kept them alive but for what? To watch them reach for each other in the dirt, watch as they ached to feel each other. One of them was still alive, lobotomized but alive. Jumped out of the ground and grabbed my face when I was inspecting the scene.

[ AND THE MURAL!!! ]

James Gray was the muralist. Kidnapped people of all different skin tones. Tried to create the perfect palette. Used an abandoned silo and stitched and glued his victims naked bodies to create a giant eye. Kept them alive while he did it, wanted to make them see God. Forty-six all pressed and bent and twisted together for art.

[ He pauses, going quiet again and that seems like it's it before, very softly, ]

This isn't the same.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
[ As Will speaks, Hannibal looks down at him (or, the lump that is him at the moment) with a cool expression. There's not much there emotionally, but there's just a small hint of warm admiration. The way that Will described the murders he saw and experienced was part of what had captured Hannibal's attention so thoroughly. In the part of Hannibal that no one here but Will knows, he finds Will's words poetry put to art. Every killer was an artist, after all. Some produced work that Hannibal found gauche and amateurish, but others conveyed deep emotion that moved him the way that a beautiful opera or painting could. Will had a talent in putting those sentiments into words, pulling the meaning out of the macabre.

But naturally, that admiration didn't fit with the reputation of the good doctor. So his admiration is only expressed by a subtle shift of Hannibal's hand as it draws through Will's hair. Will will feel the fondness, but Percy will not see it. ]


Bloodier is not creative. So long as the Sheriff is interested in gore over "style," then there's little need to worry about mushrooms, murals, or anything of the like. For the better, I'd say.

[ The question draws Hannibal's attention back to Percy, and he pauses briefly, not for knowing what to say, but instead for the last part of what Percy says. Again, it's strange to think that such a young man would face such danger regularly to have such thoughts, but... It does make it easier for him to give an explanation. He doubts that the motivation of the people that Percy is familiar with is actually any different. ]

I do believe that it's perhaps a mistake to look upon people that kill too harshly. The fact that they are coerced into it is pitiable. Even if they hide their crime, which makes things harder for us, I still understand it. They are doing what they feel is right. No more, and no less, since their actions come at the price of another life. But to do more is different, obviously. It makes them feel powerful.

[ To himself, he feels a spark of amusement at this moment, because this was a conversation he and Will had so long ago that it feels like another lifetime. When Will had struggled with killing a man, he had come to Hannibal. And Hannibal had led him here. He doesn't imagine that he'll lead Percy, since he doesn't have time to. But he wonders if this conversation will change Percy as it did for Will in ways that Hannibal will never see. ]

Killing makes you feel powerful. It may come with guilt that washes away everything else, but there is power in taking someone else's life. So, for those where guilt does not win out, killing feels good. They do not feel that it's for the best. They simply enjoy it. Their violent delights will always have violent ends.

[ He pauses, canting his head lightly as if considering something, but he poses a question back: ]

If you were to find the person that killed Annabeth... Would it not cross your mind to kill them? Would you not enjoy it for having repaid the pain that you and Annabeth both suffered because of them?
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[personal profile] sweats 2017-02-12 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
[ There isn't a reason for Will to speak. He's reached a numbing haze of consciousness here where his brain finally feels wrung dry and his own again. Trials are hard on him, soaking everything up with little consent and he can't ever stop it. Here, buried and clutching to Hannibal like a lifeline, he can finally tune everything out. Bring everything back to focus in a way that's hard for him usually. Hard for him without Hannibal.

Yet, he finds himself speak, words coming to him from a distant memory. and spilling out with little active want. They just come, muffled under everything else and eerie in their delivery. ]


Killing must feel good to God, too. He does it all the time, and are we not created in his image?

[ It's quoted, it's clearly quoted and Hannibal will feel Will's hands digging tighter into his leg in response, fingernails pressing deep through the fabric of his pants. It's hard to say if it's on purpose or not. Absentmindedly and quieter, Will follows with -- ]

God's terrific.

[ But he doesn't elaborate, doesn't give any explanation at all. Instead he lets his words hang in the air for a moment, just a quiet murmur of long ago spoken sentences. When he speaks again, it's directed at Percy and clearly Will's own voice. ]

Killing him would be your right, Percy. It would be just. His blood would be yours to bathe in and anyone to take that from you would be cruel and unworthy.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-12 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[ There's the tiniest flicker of a smile, not at Percy's words, but Will's. As soon as he starts speaking, Hannibal recognizes what he's about to say, and he's incredibly pleased by hearing his own words come from Will. It was rather dark, but it was what Hannibal genuinely believed. His views on God were a bit unusual, to say the least, not a firm denial, but hardly a devout belief either. He doesn't respond to the way Will's hands grip more tightly, at least not outwardly. He just turns his attention back to Will this time, even as he speaks to Percy. ]

I don't think that anyone would fight you for it, for the record.

[ Hannibal comments on that first, because even with the horror people had towards what happened here, executions had quickly become a different matter. For the guilty, no one minded if they suffered. In fact, it was encouraged by the Sheriff. But he had seen that quiet shift in the morality of the people here. Where they may have objected to letting people take their revenge before... He had doubts that there were many holding onto those beliefs now. ]

But we will help. In whatever ways you need. I hardly think it's unjustified to want to find and kill them. I would want to do the same if Will were killed. I have no shame in admitting that.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-15 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Well, certainly not with that attitude.

[ He comments wryly as Percy speaks to Will, and if Will could see his face, he'd at least get the impression that this was something Hannibal had said to someone before, though he wouldn't know to who. No one did, and that's why he's taking a bit of amusement out of saying it now.

Though even so, he doesn't comment on Percy latching onto a detail about the killer. He doesn't encourage Percy or scorn him, and instead just moves onto smoothly to the larger point. If Percy has that information, then Hannibal sees no reason to stop him from moving forward with it as he wishes. ]


I would think that perhaps in the event of multiple killers, the Sheriff might allow multiple votes. It's been mentioned it before, but we also never asked further once it came to light that there were multiples. [ unless I missed that which is totally possible sweats... trials are hard to follow ] I don't know if encouraging a guilty person to kill again is wise, since as you've said, it gives them another life to take. But I think we could manage to find another. If it's through the trial, then it at least gives us someone guilty to vote for. If not... That is more complicated.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-15 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
[ He listens, but what Hannibal offers ends up being quite simple. After all, in the face of Percy's question, he feels that it's what needs the response most. Everything else is thinking aloud, strategy and possibility, but Hannibal offers reassurance in turn. ]

I will not tell anyone. I promise.

[ Hannibal at least seems quite sincere in giving his assurance that this conversation will stay with them. There's at least a bit of security in the fact that it also wouldn't exactly be ideal for anyone else to learn of this on Hannibal's side either. For Will... Well, no one would be surprised, probably.

After all, with how he's curled up now, it's a different picture of Will as he is in the trials. Hannibal's attention turns to Will again, but his smile shifts to one that's fond despite the question that Percy asks. ]


Both. Will is never especially good at dealing with people, but his temperament becomes especially acerbic when he's forced to be around them. As you learned rather personally. [ sorry will made you cry buddy ] Though not usually to this extent. "Solving" a mystery isn't quite what he meant to do.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-15 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
[ Hannibal cants his head lightly at that implication of experience, since it's not what he expected Percy to say. Will's disorder has always been incredibly unique by Hannibal's guess, so the idea that anyone else might have something similar both surprises him and intrigues him. But. That's neither here nor there, and he knows it, so the only response is that small gesture. ]

It could be age. Or it may not be. That's a bias that's very difficult to prove. Though, true, Ezio might have been spurned into confessing by another adult. Or it may have only been Will's particular insistence.

[ which is Hannibal speak for "being an asshole" ]

—But even if you asked, he probably wouldn't give it. In fact, I would even hope Will wouldn't. [ He pauses, thoughtful, then decides to explain further: ] It usually doesn't affect him quite this badly. But I think the Sheriff preferred that he not interfere. His help hurts him more now than it would normally.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-15 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
He does. I asked him about it, considering how ill Will is feeling very nearly all the time. That extent is unusual. [ He shrugs lightly, not dismissive, but simply knowing that it's a losing battle to try and convince the Sheriff to ease that, whatever it is. ] All the more reason to end this, at least for our own selfish reasons.

[ Also, if Will is asleep, Hannibal is very carefully going to try and take his whisky bottle from him and put it on a bedside table, since he really doesn't need to cuddle a bottle of alcohol like it's a teddy bear. ]

But no, I'm afraid not. If it were, I would teach everyone, and we would be better for it. It's simply a natural talent. It can be learned, to an extent, though even that takes years. But for Will and I both, we're just a bit more naturally attuned to the small gestures of people. We speak with a language that is far beyond words, and we do not even realize we speak it, often times.

[ Though since that might be a disappoint answer, he at least offers: ]

I don't have Will's talent. But if you trust my judgement, then I may be able to provide some guidance during the trial, with any luck.

[ which I'm required to have hannibal offer because he would but I, christy, actually cannot so don't listen LMAO ]
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-16 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
[ Hannibal nods in agreement, since, yeah, he has to agree that bringing them here is pretty selfish. Why can't a pair of murderous assholes commit lover's suicide in peace? ugh ]

...Essentially, yes.

[ He nods to agree that it's probably a fancy way to say it, but there's a slight reluctance to it. It's solely just Hannibal being slightly awkward at it being pointed out, since it's so normal for him to speak in an erudite way that it's difficult to tone down. Otherwise, he listens, and though the one comment gets a brief look of sympathy, Hannibal ends up commenting on the rest instead. ]

Then I can at least support you. Reading people isn't easy, but... The first step tends to be doubt. It's rather cynical, but if you assume that everyone is lying, it can sometimes help you cut through to truth.

[ He shrugs lightly, but elaborates on what he means: ]

Russell's usage of incapacitating drugs may have been innocuous, for example. But it also may have not been. That was the case for Nisha's injuries, after all. [ He shakes his head at this point ] Not to particularly implicate him as being guilty, but those are the sorts of doubts that I cast. Is it what someone says, or is it more?
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-20 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And macabre as it is, as our numbers diminish, finding those people will statistically become easier. It is... Not ideal. But it may benefit us, I suppose.

[ He laughs slightly and shakes his head at the question. ]

I hope not, but at the same time, I feel that it's become such tradition that someone is likely to suggest it. [ And he was right... ] It hasn't been very useful before, but who knows. Perhaps someone will be careless, for once.
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-20 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
[ He nods, though he does give the thought serious consideration, even if it's brief. The rest of the conversation Hannibal lets slip away, since the concern that Percy brings up first is a fair one. ]

That depends entirely on what they're meant to do, I suppose. Some of those roles are innocuous enough that I would say nothing needs to be done. The Doctor, for example, or even the Madame and Bartender. But others... They do not have such a convenient answer. [ He makes a thoughtful noise, then shakes his head lightly. ] It's difficult to say. At least as a hypothetical. In general terms, I would say that whatever it takes to stop all of this should be weighed in as the primary priority. I'm not sure what that would look like or if it would even matter. But I'd like to hope that there's more reason for the roles beyond entertaining the Sheriff.

[ like, please... that would be so dumb ]
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[personal profile] sating 2017-02-21 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[ See the logic is all there, but it still makes Hannibal sigh rather tiredly all the same. He can't disagree, though... ]

Hence the "hope," I suppose.

[ The sigh is followed by a very light shrug. ]

They may only exist to provide conflict and intrigue, in which case I would say that was a successful venture.